Saturday, 27 October 2012

Humber IV

My first Humber IV for the recce regiment of 43rd Wessex Division is complete.
I would like to get some more of these to make up at least a troop. The only 1/72 Humber IV I've found so far has been this resin Ready to Roll version- if anybody can let me know of an alternative I'd be grateful, I was hoping Blitzkrieg Miniatures would have one soon, but alas, it's not on their current release schedule.
That top bloke and fellow antipodean, Paul of Plastic Warriors, has been churning out the Humbers of late and has a fine collection: HERE .

The RTR Humber comes with a cast resin crewman and stowage, all I have added are some fishing line aerials, paint and some grassy stuff. So, for all you fans of the humble Humber, here's my contribution:















Next post I hope to show you some US Shermans which I've just finished. Inspired Thanos's great weathering and chipping on his three Panthers, I've tried to give these Shermans a dose of the same.

32 comments:

  1. Looks great John. I'm not aware of any alternatives for the Mk IV.

    One minor point... I don't know if you saw me banging on about it on Paul's blog, but I believe the bridge class of all the Humbers was actually "7".

    Cheers, Dave

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    1. Thanks Dave.
      Re the Bridge Class- I took my information from the Dom's Decals decal sheet for Recce Regiments, perhaps he's got it wrong? :)

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    2. Just found a Canadian Forces website which gave the Humber IV a class 7...seems Mr Dom may be in error- the one on the RTR website has a 9 too, how confusing...Not sure if I can be bothered changing it...

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    3. Hi John. Yes, that Canadian site is where I started. With the Humber I have since confirmed from a few other sources. Since I got interested in the subject I have noted a few decal sets which seem to have them wrong. I tried to get my hands on the actual WO pamphlet but short of buying it from the IWM I have been unable to locate a copy.

      Cheers, Dave

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    4. Almost forgot, here's a couple:
      http://www.recce.adsl24.co.uk/eqpt/Humber%20Armoured%20Car.JPG
      http://miliblog.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/british-ww2-armour-wheeled/humber-mk-iii-4x4-armoured-car-jsk-1xx.jpg

      Cheers, Dave

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    5. Looking at this I wondered if maybe the Humber IV, having heavier firepower (a 2pr gun or maybe a 37mm thing) c.f. the 15mm HMG the earlier marks had, perhaps the while vehicle might have been heavier, hence the higher bridge class. It seems a plausible explanation, if indeed there ever was a change.

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    6. According to the sources I've looked at all variants were about the same weight and on the canadiansoldiers.com website the bridge class 7 was specifically given for the Mk IV. Remember the bridge class was roughly based on tons, load spread and impact (tracked vehicles).

      Cheers, Dave

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  2. Crisp mnodel, very good indeed!

    Nice work!
    FF

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    1. Cheers FF, yes those RTR vehicles are quite nice and pretty good value too.

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  3. Nice work mate. Very nice indeed.

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    1. Thanks Nick, I'm glad you like it- even if I put a dodgy decal on it :)

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  4. Great work, whats wrong with the model? Thats causing you to look for an alternative.

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    1. Cheers mate.
      Nothing wrong as such, but being resin with cast on stowage and crewman means that if I want to vary subsequent models I would have to carefully chip bits off. As much as I like RTR stuff, it would be nice not to have the solid lump of resin under the vehicle and the integral base.

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    2. Hey John, I noticed there is a Humber Mk IV on that list of resin casts I emailed you a little while back. From that range I am guessing it will be closer to 1/76 but I also noted the comment below that the RTR version might be underscale for 1/72 anyway.

      Cheers, Dave

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    3. Cheers Dave, will consider that option.

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    4. There is a swap meet in a couple of weeks. I can try and have a squiz at one for you if you like...?

      Cheers, Dave

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    5. Hey, that would be great Dave, let me know how you get on, I wouldn't mind trying the Swallow Castings version.
      Milicast do a nice one, but a bit pricey when compared to RTR.

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    6. It's on 10th Nov so will try and check them out for you. Should only be 10 bucks each plus post, so we'll see how good they look !

      Cheers, Dave

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  5. Superb work all around John, and I knew as I scrolled down I would see Dave making an effort to rid the world of incorrect bridge classes!

    Lovely job.

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    1. Thanks Paul.
      Ah yes those dastardly bridge classes- do we put new markings on or not?
      Oh well, I guess I'll know for next time :)

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  6. Very nice work. I think that the RTR model is nearer 1/76 than 1/72 so it may fit quite well with the Matchbox Mk II one. I have both so I'll check.I've been toying with converting the Matchbox one and I think that all you need is a new turret and to move the spare wheel to the side. The existing turret could be used as a base with some balsa or plastic card and putty. You can buy a metal cast turret from Adapt (I think) but it starts to get pricy with minimum postage etc.

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    1. Thanks, some interesting information there.

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  7. It looks fantastic John. Small and speedy with some nice colouring on it.
    Thanks for mentioning my blog. The times that I got inspired by your work were more though! :) Keep up the great work. :)

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    1. I'm pleased you liked it T. Always happy to mention your blog :)

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  8. Strange though it may seem but the Matchbox is slightly bigger!

    Length RTR 58mm MB 60mm
    Width RTR 27.4mm MB 28.7mm
    Height RTR 22.4mm MB 22.8mm
    tyre to top of driver's position on hull)

    The turret will require building up, new gun mounting and new hatches but it doesn't look difficult.

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    1. Really? I am slightly surprised by that.
      I will consider the conversion option...

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    2. Recently went through a measuring exercise in relation to Paul's Humbers. The true scale measurements I came up with were (length / width / overall height):
      1/72 6.35cm / 3.03cm / 3.32cm
      1/76 6.01cm / 2.87cm / 3.14cm

      I measured my Matchbox (approximately) as follows:
      6.0 cm / 2.8 cm / 3.15 cm

      Cheers, Dave

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    3. Yeah, even though RTR is supposedly 1/72, some blokes on The Guild have also said that they didn't think the Matchbox one would be smaller...confusing thing this scale creep....

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    4. I was about to say that the 1/72 Hasegawa Humber II was nearer the size, but the turret is quite a bit narrower on that model. But it sounds as though the RtR makers are conflating the 1/76-1/72 scales as people often do in general discussions. The Hasegawa model you will find quite noticeably larger.

      The model you have here is a very nice one, and it seems to me there is a way of differencing a second resin one without having to mangle the casting. That is to add something. The first is a spare wheel on the front glacis plate. The second is to build up very slightly the canvas tent thing on the rear deck, or else place some sort of narrowrolled up, strapped on, thing on top. It would have to be understated - you don't want to go overboard - just something to distinguish it.

      To complete the troop: get a Daimler II!
      Just a thought...
      Ion

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    5. Hi Archduke, thanks for your thoughts on the Humber, much appreciated, I shall ponder the things you have suggested. :)

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